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T3 to S3??

UPDATED PICTURES BELOW!!

Fabian in Germany told me of his project to convert a T3 to an S3. Now by rights I shouldn't include this in the site as I had always said that bikes have to have been a genuine 750 when they left the factory, but what the hell, loks like Fabian's bike is going to turn out so well that in this case I'll let it slide. He's building his own bike for himself and that's fine with me. And he also gets the advantage of an 850cc motor..

Just a few pics (BELOW) for now to give an idea but Fabian has promised to send more as things progress - he's having wheel spacer blues at the moment.

And here's a first on this site, text also available in German!! Fabian in his own words...

Project 850-S3

From the beginning of my motorbike career the Guzzi S3 was my favourite. The reason was a friend´s bike. We met almost every Saturday at his garage. He had a S3 and I had a V 35. My first bike ever. The nice design with the wire wheels and the classic sporty look impressed me a lot.

After riding some little Guzzis and a Morini I decided to buy a big Guzzi. But wire-wheels were important to me. I found my original 1977 T3 at a dealer near my hometown. He took my V 50 Mk 3 for a good price and I bought the T3. It was not cheap but it was a good buy as I never had any serious problems with it. So I drove it for 4 years.

But the day came when the bike looked and felt a bit boring to me. What to do? I rememberd the S3 and decided to make one. The basics of the early T3 is very close to the S3. No wonder as they were made at the same time. I had the nice Borrani rims and the Aprilia electric equipment. But many other things are different as you will know. So I looked into Guzzi parts catalogues of different parts dealers. Some things are available but many are missing. I wanted to keep the costs low and didn't want to do it in a hurry. And I decided to keep all original T3-parts. They are a part of my bike and in case of a sale or change of mind it´s good to have them. Those parts are quickly sold. But hard to get when necessary.

It took me about 2 years to get all parts for my project. Some parts were bought at dealers but most came from Ebay. They were not cheap there, but available! All together I think I have spent approximately 1500 euro for all the parts.
Not a bargain for parts. But a bargain for a "new" bike ;-)

These are the necessary parts for a conversion:
upper fork yoke
lower fork yoke
front axle
brake disc spacers
front mudguard
mudguard arms
steering damper knob assembly
headlight holders
clip-ons
upper brake hose
fuel tank
seat
handgrip rails
750-S3 emblems
rear fender
rear fender knob screws
exhaust downpipes
mufflers (lafranconi)
footrests (agostini)

As you can see I changed really all different parts (exept engine, of course) because I wanted to make an exact copy. Not just a "look close to" bike. A difficult thing is to make the "narrow fork". But I think this is important for the sporty look. The wide touring forks with big fender is not the right thing for a "racer".

But you have to decide yourself what is important and what is not. Now I have almost completed my bike and I am really satisfied with the result. A personal dream comes true. But have a look for youself:

fabianstoehr@t-online.de

Project 850-S3 - UPDATE 19TH AUGUST 2005

lFabian's bike is finally finished and he really has done a superb jon, everythinng seems original down to the brake lines and he dodgy switchgear. It's not built for showing though as you can see, as as soon as it was finished, Fabian took the bike up some very high Alps to see how it would perform.....

Well done Fabian!!!

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Project 850-S3 - UPDATE 10TH MAY 2005

Slowly, but shurely the work continues. All mechanical things are done but
some details take time. As I told you, the seat does not fit correctly. I have removed the plastic-
cover and modified the upholstery in the critical area. The seat is now at
a specialist who makes me a real leather cover in original design for it.
I will get it the next 2 weeks. When I have it, the work is done and I will
make a photo session with the bike.
This will be a really nice one. And I will be happy to ride it soon!!

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Schon ganz am Anfang meiner Motorradkarriere hatte es mir die Moto Guzzi 750-S3 angetan. Das lag wohl an der Maschine eines Freundes, bei dem wir uns öfter in der Garage getroffen hatten. Schwarz und langgestreckt mit glänzenden Speichenrädern stand sie bei ihm in der Garage. So Eine wollte ich auch mal haben.
Statt dessen fuhr ich kleine Guzzis und auch mal ne Morini. Irgendwann waren mir dann die kleinen nicht mehr gut genug. Ich wollte endlich auch ne Rundmotor-Guzzi mit Borranis haben. Schon damals erwägte ich den Kauf einer "Baustelle" um dann meine individuelle Guzzi aufzubauen. Aber eine gepflegte T3 aus dem Jahre 77 hat dann mein Herz erobert. So fuhr ich 4 Jahre ohne nennenswerte Probleme mit dem
schönen Teil.
Aber wie das halt manchmal so ist: Irgendwie machte mich die biedere Tourer-Optik
der T3 nicht mehr so richtig an. Jetzt war es Zeit für eine "S"! Leider ist aber das Angebot sehr begrenzt und auch die Preise entsprechend. So entschloss ich mich meine T3 mit den entsprechenden Teilen umzubauen. Die Sache sollte nicht eilen, sodaß ich in Ruhe nach Teilen Ausschau halten konnte. Manches kriegt man als Nachfertigung bei den diversen Händlern. Viele Teile gibt es aber leider nicht mehr.
Aber im Zeitalter des Internets und Ebay ist eben doch vieles möglich, was früher nur
mit großer Mühe möglich gewesen wäre. Und so hatte ich nach fast 2 Jahren alles für
den Umbau daliegen. Besonders die Tatsache, dass die Sportguzzis eine schmälere Gabel haben, machte die Sache sehr aufwendig. Gabelbrücken, Radflansche, Achse und viele Kleinteile sind eben doch anders. Wer hier Kompromisse machen kann, spart ne ganze Menge. Aber für mich kam nur ein originalgetreuer Umbau in Frage.
Lediglich die Agostini-Rastenanlage und die Lafranconis gefielen mir persönlich besser als die Original-Teile.

Hier eine Übersicht der erforderlichen Teile:

Beide Gabelbrücken
Radflansche
Achse mit Buchsen
Lampenhalter
Stummellenker
Lenkungsdämpfer-Mechanik
Schutzblech mit Haltern
Tank
Sitzbank
Haltegriffe
Schutzblech hinten
750-S3-Embleme
Auspuffkrümmer
Fußrastenanlage
Schalldämpfer

Wie gesagt: Je nach Lust und Laune (und Geldbeutel) geht es auch weniger aufwendig. So um die 1800 Euro sind in meinem Fall zusammengekommen. Sicher kein Pappenstiel aber diese Teile sind nun mal sehr gesucht und auch nicht endlos vorhanden. Auf der anderen Seite habe ich mir nun endlich den Traum vergangener Tage erfüllt. Ich denke das Ergebnis ist sehr überzeugend. Aber seht einfach selbst.
Für S3-Fans gibt´s auch was im Internet: www.s3750motoguzzi.co.uk Sehr informative und professionelle Homepage. Allerdings in Englisch. Wer Ähnliches vorhat, kann sich auch gerne mal bei mir melden. Am Besten per Email unter fabianstoehr@t-online.defabianstoehr@t-online.de